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    2013 Focus Titanium and Focus ST

    I originally intended to purchase a 2013 Focus Titanium with everything on it except the moon roof. Then I started to look at the Focus ST since I have had two Corvettes and a Mustang GT. I like the "bells and whistles that come with the Titanium and I'm trying to decide what bells and whistles I give up if I go with the ST. I have been dealing with my local Ford dealer since 2000 so we have a good relationship and he has worked out some pretty good prices on the 2013 Titanium, fully equipped except for a moon roof and the ST equipped with the ST3 package and again, no moon roof. The price difference from my dealer is about $2,200.00 with the ST being more expensive.

    My Ford dealer provided me with a copy of the 2013 Focus ST - 5 Door Hatchback Standard Equipment list dated 05/09/12 and it seems to be a full list and has provide me with as much information as they have been provided as of yesterday. I realize that since the ST is only available in standard, that it does not come with "active park assist" or "remote start" like my Escape does. And I don't see anything about rain-sensing wiper. The other thing I don't see and perhaps someone out there knows, I don't see a "rear view camera" and "forward and reverse sensors" as being available. I like this feature on my Escape which has helped me from backing into trash cans, low barriers, etc.

    I know the differences in engines and the basics having talked to my dealer and online reviews, but just not sure of the other feature trade offs. Since the EPA mileage rating aren't out, I can't compare that yet. If anyone has thoughts about the two vehicles, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!

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    Ya, it's true, none of those features are available on the ST. They are convenient, of course, but I think the driving experience in the ST will make up for the lack of some features.

    We should be getting EPA ratings sometime this month. I'm hoping somewhere around 24/34. It'll definitely be lower than the Titanium (this is pumping out 250hp, after all).

    And I'm pretty sure you've mentioned all the trade-offs. I can't think of any other missing features.
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    Most of the stuff that the ST lacks over the 2013Ti is easily remedied. For example. Calibrate/Set up your rear-view mirrors so that you can see behind that car; go to the eye doctor and get your eyes checked out, etc. This will basically eliminate the need for parkassist and whatnot.

    Are people really not able to make a decision as to when to turn the wipers on?

    The St3 is far from "standars". HID's anyone? Recaro seats? that's way above standard.

    Also, the converted numbers from the Euro St seems to hover around 32mpg combined or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaputtEqu1pment View Post
    Most of the stuff that the ST lacks over the 2013Ti is easily remedied. For example. Calibrate/Set up your rear-view mirrors so that you can see behind that car; go to the eye doctor and get your eyes checked out, etc. This will basically eliminate the need for parkassist and whatnot.
    Are people really not able to make a decision as to when to turn the wipers on?
    The St3 is far from "standars". HID's anyone? Recaro seats? that's way above standard.
    Also, the converted numbers from the Euro St seems to hover around 32mpg combined or something like that.
    Honestly, your response seems a little rude. These are convenience features because it is convenient to have park assist, and auto wipers. Have you ever used those features? They're quite nice...

    Sure, they aren't necessary, but they are convenient.

    And it's not that people don't know when to turn on the wipers, it's just convenient to have them turn on automatically.

    You see the pattern?

    And finally, converting EU numbers really doesn't mean much.

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    No auto dimming mirrors either. :banghead:

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    I have to agree with Kaputt...first of all, if you want all that stuff, maybe you need to look at something other than a Focus.

    It's not about convenience at all...it's about tricking the feeble-minded John Q. Public into thinking that a car is inferior if it doesn't have a buch of useless techno-bullcrap.

    Do I think all the Tech in the ST is necessary? Hell no. But to get the stuff I DO want, like leather and HIDs, I have to have everyrhing else that goes with it...paying money for things I think are unnessary.

    Seriously, some of those Titanium options are ridiculous...just imagine how much better the Focus would be if they put more cash into the car itself, rather than allocating it for idiotic toys that have almost no cost-to-function value in ANY car.

    Its like wanting a toaster that costs twice as much, but automatically lowers the bread instead of having to push the button down to start it. Convenient, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackamick View Post

    And it's not that people don't know when to turn on the wipers, it's just convenient to have them turn on automatically.
    A convenient system is one that always works when it should. I have yet to see that with "rain sensing wipers."

    Until then, my eyes are always better at sensing rain.
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    So the Titanium has auto wipers, mirror, lights, etc...you know what it doesn't have? A turbo, variable ratio steering, Recaros, and tweaked out suspesnsion. Let's gripe about that! We all want to have $50,000 in options in our $25,000 cars!!!

    A little perspective here, folks. For christ's sake, everybody's about paying MSRP for these things the way it is!

    You want reasonably priced, or loaded? You don't get both. If you're an adult, you should be able to wrap your head around this concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faST View Post
    A convenient system is one that always works when it should. I have yet to see that with "rain sensing wipers."

    Until then, my eyes are always better at sensing rain.
    You're kidding right? I've never used one that doesn't work.
    Same with auto-lights.

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    Jack & Jm, i didn't mean to come across as rude. So i apologize for that. So let me retry.

    If you're on the crossroads between the 2013 ST and Ti, and it boils down to some of these convenience features as decision maker, then perhaps one would need to ponder the question as to why the ST is selected in the first place.

    The convenience features listed are what I would consider "fluff". Fluff b/c they can be completely bypassed by doing the things i listed. And when these features fail, they're nothing more than a headache to fix. (Ive been on the FoFoFanatics forum long enough to see people express their disdain for these features).

    The St is a little 250hp manual shift workhorse; if features such as park assist and pizza maker are an absolute must in a DD, then the ST is not the proper candidate. (take a look at the inside of the Focus STR, it's got 1 seat for crying out loud, and for 100k it doesn't park itself)

    Now, if you're on a budget and the alike, then factoring in total cost, upkeep cost, mpg, is a 100% valid point. If 29k is too much and doesn't justify the 250hp and 23k seems better for a very capable focus that one can plop an intake and exhaust in to give it some more 'oompf' and parks itself, then by all means sir, get the Titanium.
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