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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes4eveST View Post
    Blackbird, just to play devil's advocate, is there anything wrong with changing your oil sooner, other than expense?
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    My suggestion is to follow the intelligent oil life monitor if your car is stock or better yet, have a used oil analysis done if you think shorter drain intervals would benefit the car. Without doing that you can't really make generalized statements about how ST owners should do oil changes at such short intervals, especially for a modern car that is running full synthetic oil and a good filter. There are considerations like racing, severe climate, driving conditions and driving style, modifications (if any) to the car, and so on that might lead me to suspect a shorter drain interval would benefit the car but even then an analysis is still the best way to scientifically know for certain how well the oil/filter combo is protecting and how long you can safely go on a drain interval. For 99.9% of ST owners an oil change at or less than 3k miles is overkill, unneeded, bad for the environment and bad for your pocket book but if you want to then go ahead as it won't hurt the car.

    For engine break-in the ST already has a full synthetic from the factory. So did my turbocharged Cobalt SS and a lot of other high performance vehicles. With newer machining techniques, precision ring fitment, better internal components, etc. there really isn't a need for any special "break-in" procedures as far as the engine. What you've described is good general advice for certain aftermarket engine builds but factory engines are essentially broken in from the factory nowadays. Varying rpms, not driving at one speed, some occasional heavier throttle, not always coasting down with engine braking, etc. may help a small amount but shouldn't be needed.

    One of the main reasons there is a small break-in period loosely defined in the owner’s manual is not for the engine internals as much as it is for other driveline components like the clutch, trans/axles, brakes, etc. If Ford specifies synthetic and uses that as the factory fill there is no reason to switch or run conventional oil. Again, if you're building an engine and doing your own machining which likely isn't to the same standards as OEM (such as having looser clearances in the rings/pistons) it may be more important to follow that advice but I wouldn’t worry about the stock engine with factory fill. An early oil change at 2500-3000 miles might not be a bad idea as mass machining isn’t absolutely perfect, but Ford likely tested the engine for durability and potential warranty concerns by running initial and subsequent drain intervals at their recommended intervals.

    If different or special break-in oil was required and an earlier initial oil change was beneficial they would weigh that with risk and likely implement it. Do you think the dealer network would take issue with requirements for shorter change intervals and increased maintenance? Ford has to ensure their powertrains meet very strict emission requirements such as all cars going 150k miles with no increase in emissions, and if evap and blow-by issues from worn internals could be prevented or reduced with shorter drain intervals it is logical they would be programmed into the oil life monitor.

    I’ll say it again that these are my opinions and everyone is entitled to share theirs, but analysis/testing will answer questions way better than personal opinions (to include my own).
    Bolded.

    Also, I'm used to taking Eric's (blackbird) word as law from the SRT-4 nationals. He knows what he's talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbird View Post
    No, not besides environmental issues (if that concerns you), which is why when these types of thread pop up on the various online communities I usually mention that if you feel the need to change it sooner go ahead but to tell others they should do the same is likely uninformed and not necessary. For some fluids like newer OAT-based coolant (organic acid technology) changing too often can be detrimental due to how that coolant takes multiple months to build up a protective layer on the metal, but for oil that’s not the case.

    I’d offer a counter-point that if you're so worried that going the manufacturer's recommended interval might be detrimental then the cost of testing at an independent lab shouldn't be a consideration as you're going to pay the same amount or more for the oil change as you’d spend on a used oil analysis. Another benefit of testing and knowing the safe service life of your oil is that if you do it periodically after determining/verifying the service life of your oil of choice is that it might help you spot problems before they become an issue, such as metallic particle counts slowly going up, a slow coolant leak into the oil, etc. that you might otherwise not have spotted.


    Cool, thanks! Your posts are very informative, and I enjoy reading them. I changed mine after 1,000, but I do plan on sending a sample out after I hit 6k or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewish View Post
    Bolded.

    Also, I'm used to taking Eric's (blackbird) word as law from the SRT-4 nationals. He knows what he's talking about.
    I agree, just want to make it clear for arguments sake. Not mine, but other who will be reading this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes4eveST View Post
    I agree, just want to make it clear for arguments sake. Not mine, but other who will be reading this.
    Fair enough.

    Also, what's with the Russian smiley(ies)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewish View Post
    Fair enough.

    Also, what's with the Russian smiley(ies)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbird View Post

    For engine break-in the ST already has a full synthetic from the factory.
    The ST comes with synthetic blend 5w-30, not full-syn.

    But I agree on the other 99.9% of what you said Precision manufacturing has eliminated any need for an extensive break-in procedure...i.e. seating the piston rings. When you have tolerances down to the micron, it doesn't take long to seat the rings which likely occurs on the engine dyno OR when Ford drives your car onto the lot. It may take longer for driveline components, which is the reason Ford says "take it easy for 1000 miles."
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    Looks pretty good,main thing is not to keep the engine at a constant rpm/speed while break in. Don't use cruise control,Vary the RPM,speed,and load to expand and contract parts and seat rings etc...good to go

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    As an update, I needed to stock up on some test kits and just ordered another six-pack of the pre-paid sample kits from Blackstone so as soon as that arrives I'll be doing the first change and posting what results comes back. I'd expect a touch more metallic particle content with the engine being new but would be surprised if anything were out of the norm.


    Quote Originally Posted by faST View Post
    The ST comes with synthetic blend 5w-30, not full-syn.
    I thought they were using part Motorcraft 5W-30 Full Synthetic with an additional additive for the factory fill but using the Semi Synthetic wouldn't surprise me due to cost reasons. I saw elnorte post in the other recent oil-related thread and it would be great if he or someone else can verify a part or product number of what actually goes in on the production line (engine or vehicle) and/or if they're using the 55 gallon Motorcraft drums which are the largest size I've seen with the Motorcraft part numbers. If Ford is buying larger amounts in bulk, and with the number of vehicles they build might very well be possible, I could see a customized blend if they aren't filling the additive separately. That's always kind of a tricky thing with nearly all automakers as their house label and what you can buy at the dealer for oil filters and lubricants aren't always identical to what goes on when the vehicle is built.

    The base stock on most of the 5w20 and 5w30 Motorcraft oil comes from SK Lubricants in South Korea and is blended by Conoco-Phillips for Ford. For the money they're very nice oils and have a great additive package compared to similarly priced oils. I've been using the 5w20 Semi Synthetic in my Ram 1500 since new and might consider trying their 5w30 Full Synthetic in the ST but Wal-Mart isn't carrying that in the 5 quart jugs.
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    I know the manual specs both synthetic blend and full synthetic as recommend lubes, but unsure of what the factory fill is. US part numbers are:

    XO-5W30-QSP
    XO-5W30-QFS
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    Just checked with my service dep. the xo-5w30-qsp is a semi syn motorcraft oil and the xo-5w30-qfs is a full syn motorcraft oil.

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